No, but I wanted to send the rest of my life with him. If your pastor is telling you otherwise hes a heretic. This group is for fellowship, sharing of resources, devotional thoughts, posting of sermons, news of interest, ministry ideas, missionary/church links, KJV verse photos, and general edification. I can tell by your grammar and spelling that you arent very educated (just an observation not a judgment). Some of these are humorous and right on the money. I dont think having two revivals a year is a bad thing as they word states we should continue to get together as believers. We had no money.. No, because thats not Gods will. God cant forgive you if Jesus didnt save you. I do agree that any time when you have health issues its because of sin which is why God allows pain and suffering. I rarely post on random pages I stumbled upon but by his reaction, he didnt think Dave intended to be offensive to prove a point. (Ephesians 2:8-10; John 1:12; I Peter 1:18-19). If you believe that doing, saying, thinking, etc. Any ways God is good and can use any church to reach anyone it all depends on if you as an individual will receive his free gift of salvation, because God is that powerful. I aint got any place to judge anyone because in all honesty i have messed up in life a lot. 5 Everything they do is for show. BUT, there is good news! Baptism of believers by immersion in water symbolizes sincere faith in Christ's death, burial, and resurrection with the desire to walk in newness of life. Even though I dont believe the churchs teachings anymore, Im very grateful for the care and support I received from the Baptists growing up. 4 They crush people with unbearable religious demands and never lift a finger to ease the burden. 27. On the Arminianist view the church I go to now teaches from a biblical standpoint that salvation can still be lost. We also teach that one must hear the Word of God, one must believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, one must repent of your sins, one must confess that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, one must be baptized for the remissions of sins, and one must live faithful until death. I want no part of it except to expose it for what it is cultish. If you party, DO NOT drink. [4][5], A split in the New IFB occurred in January 2019, after Donnie Romero, pastor at Stedfast Baptist Church-Fort Worth (SBC), resigned after it was revealed he had hired prostitutes, smoked marijuana and gambled. All Catholics will not go to heaven is absolutely wrong. I forgave and praise the lord in my life forgiveness was indeed profitable. Please read this article for more information: https://baptistdeception.com/reasons-for-not-accepting-the-kjv-as-gods-preserved-word-a-response-to-pastor-james-melton/, I hope that you left your church in good terms and that they knew how you felt and whoever was wrong to be revived and allow the precense [sic] of God to bring the individual to the norm in other words what christian ought to be not what men want to be.. The reality is the ONLY TRUE CHURCH is the church that PRACTICES BIBLICAL TEACHINGS and NOT THAT OF MAN-MADE TEACHINGS because THEY ARE AGAINST THE BIBLE because I do ask the question that why there are so many churches. 19:13-15. That was an extensive list, and sooooo true! The New IFB's website lists its core doctrines as salvation by faith alone, once saved always saved, King James Bible-only, the Trinity, soul-winning, "hard" preaching, prewrath post-tribulation rapture, and opposition of worldliness, Calvinism, dispensationalism, liberalism, and Zionism. We didnt go, but they came back the next week. (Hello to all my fellow-tithers!!!) Freedom of choice demands personal responsibility. Find a Church | IndependentBaptist.church However, the churches are united by a number of doctrines. The truth is, if you had sex with ANY woman before you finally decided to marry one of them, you are a divorced man. This is assuming that the parable of the prodigal son is some kind of instruction on how to deal with a troubled child I do think that you can drink but you just cant be drink which is a legalistic problem within most Independent Fundamental Baptists. You hurt the cause of Christ regardless your intentions and you should be ashamed of yourself, especially if you think this is the proper way to obey the two commandments the Lord Jesus said were the most important. (Romans 13:1-7; Ephesians 5:21-6:4; Hebrews 13:17; I Peter 2:13-15). We believe that speaking in tongues was never the common or necessary sign of the baptism or filling of the Holy Spirit and that ultimate deliverance of the body from sickness or death awaits the consummation of our salvation in the resurrection, though God frequently chooses to answer the prayer of believers for physical healing. Jesus saved by dying on the cross in my husbands place. You might be a hypocrite if you dedicate a whole website to exposing deception while using it.??? At one point in my life I would have agreed with 45 of your 55 litmus tests, plus a few others. He perhaps worded somethings poorly perhaps, but he is completely turned off by your attitude and responses Steve. I rarely post on random pages I stumbled upon but by his reaction, he didnt think Dave intended to be offensive to prove a point. hypocrite. If you believe that women are inferior to men and are to be submissive to their husbands, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 32. I praise the lord for that because if I sin I dont have to announce it to anyone but my Heavenly Father and he is faithful and just to forgive me. You might be an IFB if Your child has went to church there 3x a week, his whole life, but when he leaves the church, your to have nothing to do with them. The independent fundamentalist Baptist movement emerged sometime in the 1940s as an attempt to continue the legacy of the fundamentalist movement of the Exposing the Dangerous Teachings of the Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Denomination, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception 2009-2020, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception, You Might Be an Independent Fundamental Baptist if, https://baptistdeception.com/bitterness-deception/, https://baptistdeception.com/testimonials/, https://baptistdeception.com/reasons-for-not-accepting-the-kjv-as-gods-preserved-word-a-response-to-pastor-james-melton/, https://www.openbible.info/topics/tithe_in_the_new_testament, http://www.thelaymansbiblicalhandbook.com/, Broad Stroking and Sweeping Generalizations Fallacy, Harold Camping Fails to Predict the Rapture, The 10 Commandments of the Independent Fundamental Baptists, 92-Year-Old Woman Kicked Out of Church for not Tithing. We believe in the bodily resurrection of all men, the saved to eternal life, and the unsaved to judgment and everlasting punishment (Matthew 25:46; John 5:28, 29, 11:25-26; Revelation 20:5-6, 12-13). Mental health issues is a result of sin and poor choices same position with my belief concerning IFB 48. If you feel guilty for not having devotions 7 days a week, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 42. I found that 10 of those apply to me and Im not even IFB. He granted his permission to work in the Infant Ministry and Toddler, and 3-4 year old Ministry. I do believe the requirements of a bishop and deacon is the husband of one wife.1 Timothy 3:2,12 we dont look down on divorced people. To love Jesus is to love his word and follow his commands because we love him. Ephesians 2:8-9 Its method of operation is subversive. N/A I agree some are or at least seem to be what most consider legalistic. [4], Despite the website's claims that each church is independent, some followers and former followers of the New IFB have accused Anderson of having complete control over the organization and ejecting anyone who has a minor disagreement with him. Christ is the o nly head of the church (Acts 13:1-4, 15:19-31, 20:28; Romans 16:1, 4; I Corinthians 3:9,16; 5:4-7,13; I Peter 5:1-4). You should have, instead of adding a dozen or so of your comments, said If you believe everything in the Bible, you might be an Independent Baptist. Please correct me if Im wrong, but arent we supposed to follow the teachings of the Bible, such as tithing? Seeing 2 brothers in Christ debase a conversation (be it one or both parties) to snide remarks, tasteless jabs, and condescension as a form or response, makes us all look bad. He is the Head of the church. Yes, believers disagree, theres nothing wrong with that. (Acts 2:42), It is a betrayal of the unity of believers based upon sound doctrine of the historic Christian Faith. 44. (Matthew 22:15-22; 28:19-20;Romans 13:1-7). Of course these cultural attachments border on the cultic, no doubt are legalistic, and hopefully will disappear eventually as the old guard depart their bondage in this life for Glory! I was told that I could not work in one of my passionate ministries, infant, toddler, and 3-4 year olds because of something I did in my past 14 years ago and pastor told me I have to prove myself first. I believe this passage is a description of the IFB church Im a member of. I read Matthew 23 just before writing. The New IFB does not consider itself to be a denomination. In 1974 Kenneth Chrismans father passed away. Peace. 7. Why wouldnt I stand up for something I believe in? If I couldnt tolerate anyone saying something different I would instruct the site moderator to delete comments such as yours. You wont go in yourselves, and you dont let others enter either. 2. My writing tends to be somewhat heavy and serious so every once in a while I like to add some humor to lighten things up a bit. Theres a lot that is biblical in your post that we should want to do and some not biblical and therefore should abstain from practice. They bought your loyalty. They had made an idol out of church attendance. 22. WebThe 1920 Baptist Fundamentals declared, The fundamental principle of the Baptists, in common with many other evangelicals, has always been the gospel, which is the essence 20. There are independent Reformed/Calvinist Baptists, and independent Arminian Whether u believe its talking about judah/Ephraim or not. I have no belief, opinion, or position of this [7], The New IFB currently lists 30 affiliated congregations on their website. ? Do you know what Jesus told the Pharisees? I disclosed to (2) pastors at this church personal and heart felt feelings that I thought and grew up and was told you can talk to your pastor, because he is a man of God. My ministry isnt to the lost, its to help heal those whove been hurt by the IFB. If you think that secular music (i.e., anything other than old time gospel hymns) is sinful, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 19. 29 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. God has given each institution specific Biblical responsibilities and has balanced those responsibilities with the understanding that no institution has the right to infringe upon the other. Now, I am a 25 year old women with 3 children a 4, 2, and 7 month old and my Husband is 26. We are not affiliated with any man-made external organization be it a Convention, Association, Fellowship, or National Denomination. Ask questions if you need to and Ill be happy to explain more. Im going back to my independent baptist church where there is no compromising. If you believe that everyone who opposes IFB doctrine is just bitter, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 48. 5. We need no other human agent or spiritual mediator. Those are my concerns about the 25 topics about the Independent Fundamental Baptist beliefs. Its NOT ABOUT US! Even when the family goes on vacation, we go to church. I have no opinion on this IFB people as a whole, are generally willfully ignorant people. I can not forgive sins! We believe that , lesbianism, bisexuality, bestiality, incest, fornication, adultery, and pornography are perversions of God's intended purposes and therefore, sin. Read Matthew 23 for more information. Im still separate I have just decided to sin. Illustration by Don Pfaffe appearing in the Central Conservative Baptist Quarterly I hope you found some church that preaches the truth (even though they may differ on some things with me). I received these because of lies that I was single with no income. Hes a different man today thanks to Gods grace in our life. Then they paid for your reception, photographers and shower? You can be saved and live however, but there will be consequences the saddest consequence of this behavior is your relationship with God will be Hindered greatly or little. There are a couple places but, they're all pretty much much secular and worldly. 40. 16 Blind guides! You strain your water so you wont accidentally swallow a gnat, but you swallow a camel! 16. I dont agree with the term, sowing discord with the brethren because I agree everything what the Bible teaches. G. M. Matheny. Independent Fundamental Churches of America 42. From a biblical standpoint, Jesus is the ONLY mediator between God and Man and only Jesus can intercede us. Wow, nice list. If you run into a church member at the grocery store and see that they have a bottle of wine or maybe a 6-pack of beer in their cart and you struggle over whether you should share this information with your pastor, you might be and independent fundamental Baptist! I am a pastor of a Baptist church, but rather than call myself INDEPENDENT, I call myself unaffiliated with the other Baptist Churches. How will you escape the judgment of hell? If that doesnt raise red flags for you I dont know what will. We believe that the Holy Spirit is the Person who reproves the world of sin, of righteousness, and of judgment; and that He is the Supernatural Agent in regeneration, indwelling all believers and sealing them unto the day of redemption (John 16:8-11; II Corinthians 3:6; Romans 8:9; Ephesians 1:13-14). Like I said, forgiveness doesnt mean anything other than forgiveness. The pastor explained forgiveness and that Jesus has already forgiven his sin on the cross and if I choose to not forgive than I am believing in my heart Jesus didnt die for his sin.. Secular music other than old time gospel hymns is sin I dont see anything wrong with rock & roll, oldies music, and country music though it has gotten worse these days than it was years ago but the music I hate the most are hip hop, heavy metal generally, and especially RAP music which my brother likes. Using guitars in church is too liberal That was not the case at the church I grew up in when the last pastor I had when he came to Mountain Church of Christ when he first arrived (which is instrumental though membership is small). WebBaptist beliefs are seen as belonging to three parties: General Baptists who uphold Arminian soteriology, Particular Baptists who uphold Calvinist soteriology, and Independent Baptists, who might embrace a strict version of either Arminianism or Calvinism, but are most notable for their fundamentalist positions on Biblical We will never attain that on this side. The preachers who I knew as a teenager all had real degrees in theology from acredited universities. If you look down on people who are divorced, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 38. I can be more specific and categorize your list of 55 things to give some examples as you asked OGrodnik to do, but it wouldnt be to diminish what you and others have experienced. I love devotions with the Lord. I dont believe my husband was the only one hurting the relationship. No official opinion on this though as I said we should discipline our children the same way God disciplines us Every person is individually responsible to God and will be judged according to the beliefs and practices he or she freely chooses. If your pastor preaches against smoking because it is bad for the body but is himself an obese glutton, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 25. Independent Fundamental For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: I dont believe they bought our loyalty, because we werent of any good investment. Many of those things actually do go on at IFB churches, but several of those things are Biblical. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. I dont post this to to attack you, nor defend Dave, rather to simply point out that perhaps both are not setting the best of examples? 6 Dont waste what is holy on people who are unholy. Complete Guide to Christian Denominations: Understanding the History, Beliefs, and Differences by Ron Rhodes. What do Fundamental Baptists believe When this life is over, it doesnt matter! I forgave through the example of Jesus. But it cannot be pleasant carrying all that bitterness around with you every day. That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. 4 How can you think of saying to your friend, Let me help you get rid of that speck in your eye, when you cant see past the log in your own eye? Generally its the Pastor, or Preaching Elder or Minister, that has to attend multiple services because he has to preach the sermon. The verses you quoted are taken out of context and dont mean what you imply them to mean. The New IFB does not consider itself to be a denomination. WebWOL's Directory of Independent Baptist Churches; Independent Baptist Churches. We had no money. I was married when I attended before and now as a divorced woman, I know I probably would be looked down upon. The home, the church, and the state are equal and sovereign in their respective Biblically assigned spheres of responsibility under God. If you believe that attending an IFB church is the only way to hear the true gospel and get saved, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 36. Im so thankful for Gods grace on your life and the lives of your family. Some of these doctrines are as listed. Although some Independent Baptist churches refuse affiliation with Baptist denominations, various Independent Baptist Church denominations have been founded. Jesus forgives and loves and he also needs to be honored is all respects. I remember a particular lesson in church about the rod and staff. They knew it would be an investment in your giving and service to them (yes they are that evil). This is simply an attempt to bring some humor to the blog for the readers enjoyment. We went to th IFB church that next day to say we went to get them off our back. (Matthew 28:19-20; Romans 6:4; 1 Corinthians 11:23-32), Every individual, believer and unbeliever, possesses the God-given privilege of free will having the liberty to choose what to believe. You would probably also classify the God of the Old Testament as abusive. Deacons help the pastor care for the flock so he can give priority to prayer and the ministry of the Word. 7. Yes, see my answer to your first question. Id have more time to minister to the lost if I didnt have to work to repair the damage done by the IFB. 50. Read one thing, make a judgment that Im just bitter and move on. If you believe that you will be rewarded or punished according to whether or not youve tithed faithfully, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 47. Baptists are people of the Bible and not fellings. For you say that it means nothing to swear by Gods Temple, but that it is binding to swear by the gold in the Temple. 17 Blind fools! Singing anything other than hymns is too liberal While I do favor hymns but I dont see anything wrong with contemporary music since I like a good mix of hymns and contemporary songs. I know you scoff at my pity but there it is. If you think that the other translations are too wordly that right there I dont like. You might Quite the contrary, I was searching for something else when I clicked on this link, so I didnt then and dont now come looking to argue. I assure you that Im living exactly how God wants me to be living and Im doing it outside of the IFB (yes it can be done LOL). These are not sacraments to earn salvation, but privileges granted by grace. If you believe that someone who smokes, drinks, parties, dances, listens to secular music, listens to Christian contemporary music, etc. I dont have to try and understand it, I already know it. Faith Bible Baptist Church's Bible Study Internet Links 30. If you believe women shouldnt wear pants, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 12. If you think that tithing 10% of your gross income is the minimum, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 6. The Pharisees were filled with hypocrisy and iniquity and my church is not. Everyone has sent in their life. If you had one opportunity to send a lost love one time to any church , which would it be ? Would the lost or questioning feel that even if someone is attacking your comments, that youre setting an example that they could adopt? It uses the Bible to treat everything from porn addiction Everyone as an individual should get right with God in whatever he has commanded them. 38. But I still think that every Christian should spend some time in an IFB church. Luke 8:17, Daniel 2:22, Luke 12:2. I cant stand when preachers pound the pulpits because its distracting and irritating for me though I am not against preachers yelling as long as they dont yell too loud. People are people and free to choose their own way. The Bible is our sole and final authority for faith and practice. Would you go back and pet a dog after it bit you? Basically he was just marketing for his college. If the IFB churches are hurting the cause of Christ, would your attitude and example also hurt His cause. She told her son Kenneth, who was 16, he had to start attending the academy and the church with her. We believe that any form of homosexuality, lesbianism, bisexuality, beastiality, incest, fornication, adultery, and pornography is a sinful perversion of God's original intent for a physical relationship between a husband and wife. I found this site while checking for deceptions in different denominations, starting with Mormons. Yes. The only sin that is not forgivable is blaspheming against the Holy Spirit. Laws IFB Singles Despite having overcome drug addiction, trouble controlling my drinking, and a whole lot of other issues, my church never told me to leave, never told me to come back when I was better, never scolded me. They are as tragic as they are true and yes the IFB movement went ver overboard on many standards and traditions. We believe raising your hands during warship is appropriate, but the Bible specifically says to bow the head 2 Chronicles 20:18. Smoking, drinking, partying, dancing, listening to secular music or Contemporary music arent sinful though partying can only be sinful if you are drunk. Be careful that a fanatical or unbiblical few do not cause you to condemn us all as a group. And theyre most likely convinced that Donald Trumps election is really going to make their civil life better! If your eyes quickly scan down to see if a fellow female church member is wearing the acceptable skirt, dress or koulotts outside of church, and Heaven forbid shes wearing capris or pants!! Hypocrites! Section 1: General This is a sovereign and democratic independent fundamental Baptist church under the Lordship of Jesus Christ. If you think that homosexuality is an unforgivable sin, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 55. A strong percentage of our funding comes through several hundred local churches who support How about shortchanging the Lord out of 20 minutes of Sunday service time worship for game show gimmickry hype to boost attendance? (Mat 22:37-40) Can you honestly say that this is of God. when you run into her at Wal*Mart. I have read other versions of the Bible. ), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 41. We believe that the strict, literal interpretation of the Bible makes us Baptists. Theres a place to rebuke abusive religious practices. )(yikes), because I never want to put that church building and hierarchy that rules it above Christ. Hypocrites! I wonder sometimes if the pastor didnt hit one of your sins and instead of getting you under conviction, you just got angry. I go to an IFB church and thought a few of your statements could be funny if in the right spirit, some not so much and others I found untrue altogether. If you should cut your vacation short you should never miss church this has happened only once in my life when I went I was on my senior class trip. Pastor preaches against smoking because it is bad for the body My preacher never preaches that though there are very few people at my current church that smoke. If we must consider these points as a point for consideration, these ought to be a source form the Bible. Everything is about Him, He is a jealous God. My husband sinned, and wanted forgiveness. OMG = Oh My Goodness! We should not tell who are the good and bad Christians because we should treat everyone with love just like God loves every one of us. Ill fight against the abusive traditions and teachings of the IFB till I die. I did read it but I still dont understand their beliefs on it.. Get over it and work to rebuild the relationships instead of tearing down. We believe that Jesus Christ died for every man, and that each individual chooses to accept or reject the grace of God (Hebrews 2:9; I John 2:2). Scripture is Good! 8. If you believe that all Catholics are going to hell, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 35. Pastors daughter did my hair and cleaned my dress with baby wipes. I personally fall under Southern Missionary Baptist, and literally had questions in regards to my recent visits at an IFB church. I must forgive others the same way God forgave me. If you think that tithing of ten percent of your income is the minimum I dont have any position on this even though I do believe in tithes and offerings. Are these points form the KJV Bible or is it carved from the principles from scriptures. LOL. Baptist Churches Since 1975 Are From the Ministry of a Man of Whom it Has Been Said: You are probably the most childish acting preacher [1], New IFB churches have caused controversy on several occasions, because of their opposition to homosexuality. I can tolerate the other bits that go over board as long I am believing the word and get correct non compromising bible teaching. Gospel Light Baptist Church, Albany, Georgia. 32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. JUDAH. When you find Christ, you are a new creation and the spirit helps you to live a life that pleases Him, not us. Again its too legalistic. They have distinct responsibilities and operations. (1 Timothy 2:1-6; 1 Peter 2:5,9; Revelation 5:9,10), The local church is mandated by God to practice two ordinances. Like I said, Im doing repair work. Besides saying that those who practice any of these that arent saved is wrong because that is judging. The sacredness of human personality is evident in that God created man in His own image and is mindful of him, and in that Christ died for man; therefore every individual possesses dignity and is worthy of respect and Christian love. If you think anything other than a suit and tie for men is too casual for Sundays, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 11. Thats The Holy Spirit speaking to me. Since the origins of the church, Baptists have said the Bible is the only authority for Christian faith 34. 1. The True Church: The doctrine of a believer's church is a key belief in Baptist life. King James is the inspired word of God While I do like the old King James Bible but King James Only is wrong because its misleading and its legalism. Why dont you focus on the log in your own eye then you might be able to see the speck in my eye. The Bible is inspired and preserved by God and carries His absolute authority. I grew up in a IFB school and then university, so I can totally relate. If people asked rather than assumed there would be a lot less reactions. I mean, why would you think its too liberal to sing anything other than hymns in the church because, there are some churches within the Southern Baptist Convention, which is different from the IFB, that have a contemporary music worship in one service and have traditional hymns in another service. Im sure that this was meant to be funny but I can tell that you seem bitter. Tithing is also commanded in the bible and we are to give because he loves us and give with a joyful heart. Some of these are very much right on the money. 46. We believe in verbal, plenary inspiration in the original writings, and God's preservation of His pure words to every generation (II Timothy 3:16, Psalms 12:6-8). Yes but this is my concern about the IFB beliefs and I understand this was written to make it funny. You are falling right in line with what they want someone who will robotically obey them. I sought counciling to see if there was anything in the Bible that could give Hope to our relationship. I like that about them and not just them but the whole church, because the company you keep will influence you. 33. We affirm without apology the doctrines frequently identified as the Fundamentals of the Faith, which include the deity, virgin birth, sinless life, substitutionary death, bodily resurrection, and imminent return of Jesus Christ. Heartland Baptist Bible College I dont have a boarden to preform any religious works. Church membership is a necessary privilege for believers who follow Christ. Please read https://baptistdeception.com/bitterness-deception/ for an answer to your bitterness accusation/assumption.
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